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- 0 Introduction: Should I try Scientology?
- 1 Scientology and Science
- 1.1 Is Scientology a Science?
- 1.2 Has the validity of Scientology been tested?
- 1.3 What Does Scientology have to say about [other] Sciences?
- 1.4 How do scientifically-oriented Scientistologists deal with these
- contradictions of Scientology?
- 1.5 Do Scientologists have paranormal powers?
- 1.6 I'm interested in Scientology, but first I'd like to see some proof...
- 2 Scientology and Religion
- 2.1 Is Scientology a religion?
- 2.2 How do Scientologists view other religions?
- 2.3 Do Scientologists view Science as a religion?
- 2.4 What's an e-meter? Is it a religious device or a Scientific device?
- 2.5 Is LRH a God?
- 3 Scientology and The Law
- 3.1 Who has Scientology ever sued? What suits were lost/won/still pending?
- 3.2 Who has ever sued Scientology? What suits were lost/won/still pending?
- 3.3 What's a "Squirrel" group?
- 3.4 Did EST "Squirrel" from Scientology?
- 4 The Effectiveness of Scientology
- 4.1 Is Scientology Successful?
- 4.2 Is Narcanon Successful?
- 4.3 What Countries Officially Sponsor Narcanon?
- 4.4 What is the essence of Scientology's workability?
- 4.5 What do Scientologists think of this FAQ?
- 5 Conclusion: Well?? Should I try Scientology?
-
-
- 0 Introduction: Should I try Scientology?
-
- Maybe. Read this FAQ first. Consider asking the questions you need to have
- answered in our newsgroup. Also, you may want to read one or more of the books
- listed in the Books FAQ.
-
- 1 Scientology and Science
-
- 1.1 Is Scientology a Science?
-
- It depends on who you ask. In his book _Scientology: The Fundamentals
- of Thought_, L. Ron Hubbard (LRH) says:
-
- "It is a precise and exact science, designed for an age of exact sciences."
-
- Scientology claims to be a Science, but it never presents any of its data to
- the world in a Scientific fashion. It presents conclusions (or, perhaps,
- assertions) but never presents anything to back them up.
-
- One non-Scientologist poster suggests the following theory of the
- "Science" of Scientology:
-
- >[Scientology is not a Science] as science is commonly understood in the
- >scientific community. The Church of Scientology has its own undertanding of
- >"science", based on four lines taken out of context from Webster's
- >dictionary. According to this definition, any random accumulation of casual
- >observations is classified as a "science".
-
- Scientology *claims* to be a Science -- it's leader *asserts* that it is a
- Science -- but has never, ever provided any objective evidence that it is a
- Science. Until it does, Scientology is not a Science.
-
- 1.2 Has the validity of Scientology been tested?
-
- LRH says it has (again, from _Scientology, The Fundamentals of Thought_):
-
- "Tens of thousands of case histories, all sworn to, are in the possession of
- the organizations of Scientology. No other subjects on Earth except physics
- and chemistry have had such grueling testing."
-
- Unfortunately, there's no public access to this alleged "grueling testing."
- We only have the assertion and none of the data.
-
- Actually, this statement is an interesting for several reasons. Why does LRH
- think that Physics and Chemistry have had more testing than any other science?
- How is it that Scientology's testing compares with the testing of Physics and
- Chemistry? How many hundreds of people are there testing Scientology? How many
- man-years have they spent testing? What were their methodologies? Is the
- research ongoing, or has it stopped? And, most importantly, how can someone
- outside of Scientology access their raw data?
-
- [Do the Scientologists have any comments?]
-
- Scientology *claims* to have been tested -- it's leader *asserts* that it has
- been rigirously tested -- but has never, ever provided any objective evidence
- that of that testing. Until it does, Scientology is untested and unproven.
-
- 1.3 What does Scientology have to say about [other] Sciences?
-
- There seems to be questioning about [other] disciplines of Science. In our
- Newsgroup, one Scientologist said:
-
- >Keep in mind, there is a lot of Scn data you are not familiar with. Some
- >of this includes information regarding the physical universe, etc. Since
- >most sciences other than mathematics are based on the physical universe,
- >I do not view them very highly.
-
- [Do any Scientologists wish to elaborate?]
-
- On Page 4 of the book _Scientology: A History of Man_, (ISBN Number
- 0-88404-306-1), LRH states on page 4 that the "whole track" (age of the
- Universe to the present) is about sixty trillion years.
-
- Unfortunately, no Scientific data is presented to back up this assertion. And
- this age of the Universe is much older than virtually all cosmological models.
- Note: this is *not* claiming that Scientology is wrong, it's just not bringing
- Scientific rigor to its claims. In other words, if the Universe were actually
- sixty trillion years old, we'd have to create a whole structure of theory --
- from scratch -- to explain it. It appears as if the number sixty trillion was
- pulled out of a hat by Scientology.
-
- Sometimes, Scientologists seem to be defining Scientology as some sort of
- super-science, invalidating real Sciences in the process. One Scientologist
- says:
-
- >>In other words, are you just a Guy in a Bar -- someone expressing an opinion
- >>about the physical universe with no rigirous physical evidence to support
- >>your opionion? Why should I respect what you have to say more than, say,
- >>Steven Hawking when he talks about cosmology?
- >
- >No I don't have any rigirous physical evidence, but scientists have
- >no rigirous evidence either.
-
- Scientology makes claims that contradict other Sciences. Unfortunately, these
- claims totally lack any scientific rigor.
-
- 1.4 How do scientifically-oriented Scientistologists deal with these
- apparently contradictions of Scientology?
-
- An ex-Scientologist answers:
-
- >Basically you are asked to ingore your "wog" knowledge, since it is inferior.
- >A lot of this is done in a ridiculing way. For example, there is a recording
- >of some Scn songs out done with "Clearsound", a technology that is supposedly
- >Scn owned and far better than anything the rest of the world has. No one I
- >have ever talked to knows anything about what it is.
-
- [Any scientologists wish to add any more?]
-
- 1.5 Do Scientologists have paranormal powers?
-
- Some claim that they do, but none are willing to conduct objective experiments
- to demonstrate these powers. Sometimes, they will cite variations of
- Conspiracy Theory (for a definition, see the sci.skeptic FAQ) as their reason
- for not demonstrating those powers. Other times, they'll just get angry when
- you ask them to prove it. However, they will never, ever submit to an
- objective demonstration of these powers. And they will cite no rational
- reason for avoiding the demonstration.
-
- This is especially interesting in light of the fact that, given an objective
- demonstration of such skills, many more individuals would probably be
- interested in Scientology.
-
- 1.6 I'm interested in Scientology, but first I'd like to see some proof...
-
- Typically, a Scientologist would say to investigate it yourself -- take some
- Scientology courses. Unfortunately, this appears to be a path with no
- cheese. An ex-Scientologist claims:
-
- >Basically the process takes you over. Every dollar and waking moment will
- >be spent on Scientology unless you resist.
-
- Unfortunately, there are no books that objectively evaluate Scientology. As
- noted above, Scientology has never ever provided any public data on its
- alleged rigirous testing.
-
- 2 Scientology and Religion
-
- 2.1 Is Scientology a religion?
-
- Yes.
-
- 2.2 How do Scientologists view other religions?
-
- This is not something that's discussed a lot. One non-Scientologist claims:
-
- >By the way "God" in Scn is "the R-6 god". That is the God of the
- >monotheistic religions of the world is considered an implant. An implant is
- >a false picture attached to a thetan by the evil overlords. So listen up
- >anybody who got the idea that Scn was tolerant of other religions, your God
- >is a mere implant. Some people think they can retain their own religion and
- >still practice Scn, but on the higher levels it gets audited out. LRH
- >recounted on a tape that he advised his daughter to "be tolerant of the
- >natives" his tone derogatorily refered to christianity. See when John
- >Holifield is objecting to Chris Schafmeister's argument about how to restrict
- >power of religious groups by saying "Moslems, Jews listen up" well I say
- >listen to this. Scn does not have a friendly agenda for other religions.
-
- 2.3 Do Scientologists view Science as a religion?
-
- Apparently, some do. One Scientologist has said:
-
- >To me, science is as much religious dogma as any religion.
-
- Another said:
-
- >Perhaps you'd care to examine the fact, that in back of all the reasons,
- >logic, and "Scientific" proof you have, your model is the way it is only
- >because you choose for it to be that way.
-
- [Would any Scientologist care to elaborate?]
- [Any ex-Scientologists?]
-
- 2.4 What's an e-meter? Is it a religious device or a Scientific device?
-
- One or the other. Or neither. Or both. It depends on who you ask. As one
- reader posted on our group:
-
- >Someone said that in the process of taking apart an e-meter it makes it
- >useless, in the 'Church' eyes. I was wondering why is this suspose to be
- >true. From an electronics stand point, that makes no sense. And if the
- >'Church' says this so people won't take it apart, doesn't it seem as if they
- >are trying to hide it's mechanism? I reject the concept that the process
- >will distroy it's functions since very few simple electronic devices of that
- >sort contain chips that are too high tech to tamper with, and even if they
- >did, looking does not imply damaging.
-
- Don Showen (showen@applelink.Apple.com) says:
-
- >They are basically nothing but a whetstone bridge with a highly sensitive
- >meter movement. I am still in touch with the designer, he also designed one
- >with an automatic tone arm which I haven't used yet but have heard good
- >reports on. The basic use is to keep the meter in a readable state so the
- >needle activity can be easily observed, constantly making this adjustment is
- >sometimes a pain. If there is enough interest I will check into either
- >selling the schematic or actually building some meters and selling them for
- >around $400.
-
- Some non-Scientologists claim that the equivalent of the e-meter could be made
- for $10. This claim drew the following response:
-
- >How can you make such comments? You've probably never seen a Super Mark VII
- >E-Meter. How can you possibly suggest you could build one for $10? Go see
- >one (or at least pictures of one) before you continue to comment on these
- >things which you are *very* ignorant.
-
- Another Scientologist says:
-
- >Just because you feel that it wouldn't be wise to buy one doesn't mean that
- >its overpriced or anything else. People will pay $3000-$4000 for the meter
- >because they get 3-4Gs worth of utility from one.
-
- One Scientologist justifies the $3000 cost this way:
-
- >Also for those of you who complain about $3000 for an E-meter you are right
- >that this is a lot of money. A Mark 7 E-Meter is only necessary for auditing
- >above the level of clear. There is a Mark 5 E-Meter which runs for $500
- >retail and up to 40% off with various specials. This is the meter most use
- >for auditing to Clear as in the Dianetics book. By the time you are Clear
- >$3000 won't look to intimidating. $300 may still be more that a radio-shack
- >meter but every meter is hand made and tested and a lot of pride goes into
- >each one.
-
- But questions still remain:
-
- >Could you provide some comparisons between a Mark 7 and a low-end VHS VCR:
- >Are the electronics more or less sophisticated than a VCR? Would a Mark 7
- >have more or less problems with calibration over time than a VCR? Would it be
- >more difficult for you to manufacture and test a Mark 7 than a VCR? What
- >makes a Mark 7 more sophisticated than an electronic device that I can
- >purchase for $169.99 at my local retailer?
-
- In short, some readers claim that the functional equivalent of an e-meter
- could be made with $10 worth of electronics. The Scientologists dispute this,
- but fail to explain if there's anything inside an E-meter which would make it
- worth its $3000+ price.
-
- 2.5 Is LRH a God?
-
- Yes. No. It depends on who you ask.
-
- A Scientologist posts:
-
- >Behar's [author of Time's 1991 Cover Story about Scientology] statement that
- >Scientology claims Hubbard is God is false. Many times in Scientology
- >scripture it says very plainly that LRH is a man. Scientology holds no dogma
- >about God. A person is free to choose their own beliefs about God.
-
- Another adds:
-
- >Factually, Scientology teaches that L. Ron Hubbard was only a man.
-
- An investigator of Scientology questions this assertion:
-
- >While your rebuttal (that Scientology does not claim Hubbard is God) may be
- >accurate in the strictest sense as far as the non-condidential scriptures of
- >the CoS are concerned, the sentiment that Scientologits has accepted Hubbard
- >as God still rings true, given a less formal interpretation (e.g. like in the
- >sentence: "Donald Trump has accepted money as his God").
- >
- >For example: _All_ the true Scientologists I`ve met seem to think that LRH is
- >completely infallible (this is even one better than Christ, who failed his
- >task miserably on the cross). Also Scientologists seem to believe that it is
- >impossible to for anyone else to improve upon the work of LRH, which to me
- >again suggests belief in superhuman qualities. And of course, the mythos
- >include resurrection: LRH isn't dead -- he just "dropped his body", and shall
- >return to earth one day.
- >
- >If we look at the jokes told by Scientologists, there is two strong recurring
- >themes, and that is 1) LRH's godlike abilities and 2) the idea that LRH is
- >superior to God. Here is two from my collection:
- >
- >>Once there was a newspaper reporter who was constantly trying to get 'news'
- >>about L. Ron Hubbard. He would secretly follow him everywhere. One time he
- >>followed LRH when he went on vacation up in the mountains.
- >>
- >>Early one morning the reporter quietly followed Ron as he took a row boat
- >>into the middle of the lake to do some fishing. As he waited several
- >>minutes to get his first bite, one of the oars fell out of the oar-lock and
- >>drifted about twenty feet away. Ron sat there and thought a moment and made
- >>sure no one was watching. He then got out of the boat and quickly walked
- >>across the water to retrieve the lost oar. All this time the reporter was
- >>busily making notes.
- >>
- >>The next morning the newpaper carried the following headline:
- >>"L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, can not swim"
- >
- >>A scientologist died one day, and went to heaven. St. Peter met him at the
- >>gates, and said "Come on in my friend"
- >>
- >>The scientologists says "Wow! I'm in heaven! This is neat! Do you think I
- >>could meet God?"
- >>
- >>"Well, Gods pretty busy these days, but if you want to see him, go down the
- >>hall and turn left. Its the first door you come to."
- >>The scientologist walked down to Gods office and let himself in. There sat
- >>LRH at a big desk. The scientologist says, "Wow, I knew it was you!"
- >>
- >>LRH looked up from what he was doing and says, "Sorry, Gods not here. He's
- >>in Qual."
- >>
- >[Qual: short for Qualifications Division, where faulty auditors, students,
- > and staff members are sent to find out what's wrong with them and correct
- > the problem.]
-
- 3 Scientology and The Law
-
- 3.1 Who has Scientology ever sued? What suits were lost/won/still pending?
-
- One case has been briefly discussed in the group:
-
- >>The book will proove to you beyond a shadow of doubt that Mr. Behar
- >>displayed a complete disregard for the truth, and only intended to scare and
- >>upset people.
- >
- >Does the book explain how come Reader's Digest reprinted the Time article?
- >The Church sued Reader's Digest, trying to stop this, and they lost. The
- >Reader's Digest defence was that an article is not slanderous if it is
- >telling the truth. I would be fascinated to hear the Church's side of that
- >lawsuit.
-
- Also, a Scientologist mentioned in passing that Behar is currently being
- sued by Scientology. No further information is available.
-
- [??? What are the other cases? What info on the rumors above?]
-
- 3.2 Who has ever sued Scientology? What suits were lost/won/still pending?
-
- [???]
-
- 3.3 What's a "Squirrel" group?
-
- It's someone who would "steal" the technology of Scientology, modify it, then
- use it for their own purpose.
-
- Scientologists cite two examples of "Squirrel" groups. A Scientologist posts:
-
- >EST (now The Forum) is a squirrel group (and openly admits it). Free Zone,
- >if I understood correctly, is also a squirrel group. There are several tech
- >bulletins which illustrate squirreling and its danger. I am not an expert in
- >this field so I can not detail this more.
-
- Someone provides a definition of of the "Free Zoners":
-
- >We had some "squirrels" (they called themselves "Free Zoners) posting to this
- >group earlier. They seemed extremely preoccupied with keeping the faith
- >(sorry -- "tech") pure and authentic. I think that one of the major gripes
- >they had woth CoS was that the current bunch of Church leaders was those who
- >had done the altering and no that therefore no longer adhered to the sacred
- >word of Ron. One of them (Electra I think -- I haven't saved the posts) went
- >as far as stating that all meters built according to a design that had been
- >finalized after Ron lost control of the Church was faulty. Her words was
- >something like "If I come across a Mark <something> I destroy it -- and
- >consider it my good deed for the day". (Squirrels manufacture their own
- >E-Meters -- at a cost considerable below that charged by the CoS -- and claim
- >that _their_ meters are according to Hubbards original design, while the
- >Church "official" meters are not).
-
- Is EST (now The Forum) really a "Squirrel" group? The Scientologists seem
- think so:
-
- >I've at least two books which describe various human potential movements
- >which include est. In both of these, it is mentioned that Erhard based a lot
- >of his program on Buddhism and Scientology. I do not recall the titles
- >off-hand. I recommend refering to any books that cover several such groups
- >which include est.
-
- ...unfortunately, no title, author, ISBN number -- no documentation -- has
- been provided.
-
- 3.4 Did EST "Squirrel" from Scientology?
-
- Erhard was involved with Scientology in the mid to late 1960's; this is
- described in his biography _Werner Erhard : The Transformation of a Man, The
- Founding of est_ by by William Warren Bartley, III (ISBN 0-517-535025).
-
- Scientology definitely feels that Erhard "borrowed" materials from
- Scientology; Scientology provides a course for "est" and "ex-est" participants
- to remove what they feel is the harm that est (and an offshoot called Forum)
- produce.
-
- Some of the material and presentation of est -- use of profanity by the
- leaders presenting the est Training, a Scale of Knowledge, etc. -- have some
- similarity to materials and their presentation in Scientology. Erhard felt
- that he did not "borrow" any properties of Scientology.
-
- Presumably, Scientology could have resolved this issue in the courts by suing
- Erhard and/or his businesses. As near as we can tell, this never happened.
- Various theories have been proposed as to why the CoS didn't sue:
-
- o The Church felt that still more technology would have to be revealed in a
- lawsuit (and that even if the case were sealed, they would have to trust a
- [non-Scientologist] judge to keep the records secret).
-
- o In general, The Church prefers to deal with problems without outside
- influence (US Judicial system, etc.).
-
- o Perhaps the materials that Erhard "borrowed" were not legally protected by
- copyright and/or there was no agreement for him to not divulge information.
-
- The 1992 book, _60 Minutes and the Assination of Werner Erhard_ by Jane Self
- (ISBN ?????) claims that the charges leveled against Erhard in the 1991 "60
- Minutes" segment are fundamentally untrue and describes an ongoing conspiracy
- by Scientology to discredit Erhard. Anyone interested in pursuing this issue
- should read this book. If Self's book is to be believed, it's clear that
- the Church of Scientology does not like Erhard.
-
- Erhard sold the assets to his company, Werner Erhard and Associates, to his
- staff in 1991. He is not associated with this new enterprise. This new
- company, Landmark Education, produces courses and programs developed by Erhard
- (and some developed since he left). The est Training has not been offered
- since 1984-85; the fundamental program in Landmark's offerings is called The
- Landmark Forum. One participant in these programs commented:
-
- >I dispute all the statements made about "Tone Scale" use, and all that. By
- >all my experience is post 1985.
-
- In other words, it's possible that what Scientology viewed as objectionable in
- est/Erhard's programs is no longer part or the current [Landmark] programs.
-
- [Can any recent participants in *both* Landmark and Scientology comment
- on this?]
-
- 4 The Effectiveness of Scientology
-
- 4.1 Is Scientology Successful?
-
- By its own definition, Scientology must be successful:
-
- >>Saying this another way, what would it mean if there *were* someone who
- >>completed a level, didn't start another level, and declared his experience
- >>with Scientology a failure?
- >
- >Part of the completion of a grade is that the PC makes an attest (similar to
- >a sworn statement) that they have successfully reached the end-phenomenon of
- >the grade.
- >
- >In the case of a student, the attest is that they have studied and know the
- >material and can apply it successfully.
- >
- >The person makes these statements so that Scientology can be certain that the
- >standard results were achieved. If they later claim that Scientology was a
- >failure, I would say they were a liar. Either they lied at the attest, or
- >they lied when they said it failed.
-
- But is it meaningful to define success in Scientology's terms?
-
- >>Sometimes Scn appears unsuccessful. For example if someone quits, or the
- >>tech is altered. Scn is the way life works, and you can't break those
- >>rules. It seems like it would be nice to refuse responsibility for anything
- >>that happens, but we can't. Scn has never failed me. I have failed myself
- >>many times by not applying Scn, or not applying it correctly. Scn has
- >>always dug me out of the whole afterwards though.
- >
- >1) Is this type of logic valid _only_ when applied to Scientology, or would
- > it be equally valid if applied to any other "science" or "faith"?
- >
- >For example: If I adopted the stance of "scientific marxism/leninism", and
- >claimed that there exist solid scientific proof that communism, if applied
- >correctly, must always succeed (Marx actually provides such a proof in the
- >first volume of "Das Kapital"). As counterargument, you would probably
- >patiently tell me about the recent collapse of the Soviet Union. I would
- >then proceed to "win" the argument by pointing out to you that the collapse
- >of the Soviet Union cannot be admitted as evidence, as its collapse has
- >nothing to do with shortcomings in "scientific marxism/leninism", but was
- >only due to the facts that:
- >
- >a) The Soviet Union has failed to apply the theories of Marx and Lenin
- > correctly; and/or:
- >b) The Soviet Union quit too early, in the middle of the process of
- > transforming the hell of capitalism into a classless paradise. As it quit
- > by its own determination, the Soviet people has itself to blame for the
- > current cathastrophic situation.
- >
- >In case you think there is a difference between applying a particular
- >"science"/"tech" to a society and an individual, please feel free to
- >substitute something else for "marxism/lenism" in the example above -- say
- >Werner Erhard's "est", "Islam" or "Kibology".
- >
- >My final two questions are:
- >
- >2) Do you think that the logic I use to show the infallibility of "scientific
- > marxism/leninism"/"est"/"islam"/"kibology" is valid?
- >
- >3) If your answer to question #2 is "no", what is the difference between my
- > logic and the logic you employ to show that scientology cannot possibly
- > fail?
-
- So far, the Scientologists haven't tackled this interesting question.
-
- 4.2 Is Narcanon Successful?
-
- [Narcanon is a Scientology subsidary that deals with the treatment of drug
- abusers.]
-
- An anonymous poster to the group reports:
-
- >The book _What Is Scientology_ has been mentioned as a reference for the
- >statistics on Narconon's effectiveness. Pages 407-415 are devoted to
- >Narconon, and contains very few useful facts. It is mostly wins
- >(testamonials). The facts given are:
- >
- >A 1981 Swedish study found 84.6% of participants were off drugs at the end of
- >the study. Nothing was said about the source, duration or methodology used.
- >
- >A 1985 study in Spain found 78.37% of the participants were still off drugs
- >one year after ending treatment. Same lack of data about source and
- >methodology.
- >
- >Note the number of significant digits given in the result.
-
- A poster to this group has been researching this question for a while:
-
- >Interesting. In the material Narconon sent me, there are also references to
- >exactly two studies: one "Swedish" study and one "Spanish" study (no years
- >are given). The recovery figures still differs by 6 points but are slightly
- >lower (76% and 70% respectively -- no decimals).
- >
- >Anyone who knows whether these the same or different studies? If they are
- >the same, why do the figures keep mutating?
- >
- >I am extremely annoyed by the lack of proper citation. It makes it
- >impossible to track down the original material for these controversial
- >claims.
- >
- >And it is not like Narconon doesn't know how to provide citation! On the
- >page just after the references to these anonymous studies, there is a nice
- >set of charts showing the growth of drug abuse in the US. The chart is
- >accompanied by a footnote giving the proper source for these data. Why do
- >they bother giving the source for these well known and uncontroversial
- >findings, but provide no source for their quite sensational and controversial
- >recovery figures?
- >
- >I can only think of one plausible explanation. They won't let me examine
- >these studies. Either because the "studies" doesn't exist, they are
- >fabrications by someone who sells a bogus $5000.-/week rehabilitation program
- >-- or they exist but are not as "independent" and "scientific" as
- >Narconon/ABLE/CoS want me to believe.
-
- [Do any Scientologists care to comment?]
-
- 4.3 What Countries Officially Sponsor Narcanon?
-
- In Narconon promotional literature it is repeatedly claimed (again without
- naming the nations involved) that Narconon an "official" state sponsored drug
- rehabilitiation program sponsored in several European nations.
-
- Several letters and faxes by myself to Narconon Chilocco specifically
- requesting the names of those nations have only been answered with letters
- containing standard promotional literature that does not give this
- information.
-
- Is Narconon used as an "official" state sponsored program anywhere in Europe,
- or is this claim a lie prepetrated by Narconon to give this expensive and
- undocumented treatment program undeserved respectability?
-
- [Do any Scientologists care to comment?]
-
- 4.4 What is the essence of Scientology's workability?
-
- The following is reproduced, without comment, from one Scientologist's
- posting:
-
- >I say do a survey of people who have completed any Scientology course or
- >auditing action and find out if they have subjectively achieved the
- >end phenomena. I predict that you will be able to determine objecctively
- >that 100% of the people will have a subjective reality that they have
- >achieved a gain of some type. This is the essence of Scientology's
- >workability as I now see it.
-
- 4.5 What do Scientologists think of this FAQ?
-
- They say, with spirit, that this document is a [collective] of [untruths]. On
- Scientologist (humbly!) says:
-
- >As a side note, the perported FAQ is loaded with false, negative and biased
- >material. It would be interesting if the copyright and trademark holders of
- >terms such as "Scientology," "Dianetics" etc. took legal action. There are
- >clear, concise answers available from the Church with documentation; a
- >continued distribution of demonstrably false and damaging material could be
- >construed as intentionally malicious. Just my 'umble opinion.
-
- Unfortunately, no reference has ever been provided to the "clear, concise"
- answers. Interestingly, while Scientologists have claimed that the (whole?)
- FAQ is untrue, they have never volunteered any corrections. One did recommend
- that we read the *entire* book _What is Scientology_ (ISBN ????) ($80 and 500+
- pages) to get our answers....
-
- One Scientologist offered a one-shot "Pro-Scientology" FAQ, but is no longer
- active in our newsgroup. Given that no Scientologist has ever even *attempted*
- to contribute to the FAQ, it's unclear that [implicit] labeling the current
- FAQ as "Anti-Scientology" is appropriate.
-
- Anyone is welcome to contribute to this FAQ; the "untruths" can't be
- "corrected" unless someone gives us the appropropriate information. Clear,
- concise answers would be most welcome.
-
- 5 Conclusion: Well?? Should I try Scientology?
-
- Maybe. It's up to you. Here are a few things that you should know about first:
-
- Recently, one Scientologist on this group noticed a posting from someone he
- thought was a fellow Scientologist (he wasn't). Apparently, he didn't like the
- posting too much:
-
- >Do you realize that you are committing serious High Crimes against
- >Scientology by your public disavowals of Scientology on the newsgroup
- >alt.religion.scientology? You have major misunderstood words and you are
- >posing yourself as an authority in an area in which you are not. I'm writing
- >full reports to the Religious Technology Center about your postings.
-
- The same Scientologist, in response to an earlier version of this FAQ, said:
-
- >I have said that you are doing something wrong and I am reporting it. That I
- >have done.
-
- [Without further reference, one assumes he reported it to the Religious
- Technology Center.]
-
- Finally, this same Scientologist has sent what appears to be threatening
- e-mail to some posters of this group:
-
- >What hidden crimes are you trying to hide? I highly suggest that you take a
- >very careful look before I expose them to all.
-
- It's unclear if this person is a Model Citizen among Scientologists. One
- Scientologist condemned his actions and further claimed that he was operating
- *as an individual* and not as a Scientologist. On the other hand, this
- Inquisition-like methodology appears to be a structured component of
- Scientology.
-
- Finally, if you still want to pursue Scientology, but some of the questions or
- issues raised in this FAQ bother you, get those issues answered *first* before
- you put any money down. Ask questions here -- there are several
- ex-Scientologists and non-Scientologists who will provide thoughtful answers
- to your questions. Based on the experiences of some of those
- ex-Scientologists, expecting that your questions will get answered later could
- be folly.
-
- --phil
- pae@csn.org
-